BFAMFAPhD presents Making and Being, a series of conversations that ask: What ways of making and being do we want to experience in art classes? The series places artists and educators in intimate conversation about forms of critique, cooperatives, artist-run spaces, healing, and the death of projects. These conversations about Art & Pedagogy are co-presented by BFAMFAPhD & Pioneer Works Press, hosted by Hauser & Wirth, covered by media partners Eyebeam and Bad at Sports. The fifth installment of this series will focus on what practices might be developed to honor the departure of a project. For example, where do materials go when they are no longer of use, value, or interest? This conversation will include Israeli and Lindsay Tunkl.  Millet Israeli is a psychotherapist who focuses on the varied human experience of loss. She works with individuals and families struggling with grief, illness, end of life issues, anticipatory loss, and ambiguous loss. Her approach integrates family systems theory, cognitive restructuring, mindfulness, and trauma informed care. Millet enjoys creating and exploring photography and poetry, and both inform her work with her clients. Millet holds a BA in psychology from Princeton, a JD from Harvard Law School, an MSW from NYU and is certified in bioethics through Montefiore. She sits on an Institutional Review Board for Human Subjects Research at Weill Cornell. Lindsay Tunkl is a conceptual artist and writer using performance, sculpture, language, and one-on-one encounters to explore subjects such as the apocalypse, heartbreak, space travel, and death. Tunkl received an MFA in Fine art and an MA in Visual + Critical Studies from CCA in San Francisco (2017) and a BFA from CalArts In Los Angeles (2010). Her work has been shown at the Hammer Museum, LA, Southern Exposure, SF, and The Center For Contemporary Art, Santa Fe. She is the creator of Pre Apocalypse Counseling and the author of the book When You Die You Will Not Be Scared To Die. Abou